minnow ([info]minnow1212) wrote,
@ 2005-03-21 10:49:00
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Entry tags:books: austen, books: fantasy/sf, books: full reading log, books: ya, movies: all

Reading log: Pamela Service’s Being of Two Minds, an older YA novel that I picked up at a recent library discard sale. As a result of something to do with having very similar brain patterns, two fourteen-year-olds have, since birth, had spells where they lapse into unconsciousness and end up as a sort of psychic passenger in the other person’s brain. Connie is American; Rudy is the prince of Thulgaria, a small Ruritanian-type country. Neither wants to reveal their secret to doctors or family for fear that the doctors will find some way to stop the episodes, which both of them enjoy. Matters come to a head, however, when Rudy is kidnapped (some factions in the country want a different path for Thulgarian politics, and others fear that Rudy’s mysterious will leave him unfit to rule) and Connie can relay information. Not as charming as my favorite Service books, and the ending wraps up entirely too neatly, but kind of fun nonetheless.

In movie watching, Bride and Prejudice was simply wonderful. You don’t get many of that type of film anymore, with lots of color and spectacle done unironically and cheerfully. Agreed with [info]kirbyfest, who pointed out that they succeeded in making the Lydia character sympathetic, and gave the Collins character unexpected depth as well. Also really liked the way they presented joy and sensuality and intimacy without being explicit at all. It suited this movie and its source material.

Also of the good: the way the spectacle continued throughout the movie, not just in India. The colorful boats in London, the beach scene in America: joy everywhere. I remember reading a review of My Big Fat Greek Wedding once, where the author talked about how in a marriage between people from two different cultures, both cultures have traditions to bring to the table. And yet in many fictional representations--I forget whether the author said Greek Wedding did this well or badly; nor have I seen the movie--there's this conception that it’s the side perceived as more ethnic that carries all the traditions, that the more mainstream culture is beige and blah, a blank slate to be written over. Which ends up being sort of patronizing to both sides, really, ignoring any richness in the more mainstream culture and making the more ethnic culture seem quaint and cute.

Darcy wasn’t my type, really, but that was about my only quibble with the movie. Oh, and one moment at the end that made complete sense thematically but also hit my over-the-top meter. It made sense that we see Darcy playing the drum, because he’s hung back from the music that represents life and celebration and joy throughout the movie, and so seeing him *participate* was sort of necessary. Yet something there struck me as kind of cheesetastic. Ah well.



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[info]se_parsons
2005-03-21 05:16 pm UTC (link)
I have been pimping the hell out of this movie to EVERYONE I've talked to since we walked out of the theatre. I'm SO going to take Mom to see it. It really DOES fill you with joy.

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[info]minnow1212
2005-03-21 07:21 pm UTC (link)
Yes, I will be recommending this one to my parents, too.

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[info]thinkum
2005-03-21 05:33 pm UTC (link)
I remember reading a review of My Big Fat Greek Wedding once, where the author talked about how in a marriage between people from two different cultures, both cultures have traditions to bring to the table. And yet in many fictional representations--I forget whether the author said Greek Wedding did this well or badly; nor have I seen the movie--there's this conception that it’s the side perceived as more ethnic that carries all the traditions, that the more mainstream culture is beige and blah, a blank slate to be written over. Which ends up being sort of patronizing to both sides, really, ignoring any richness in the more mainstream culture and making the more ethnic culture seem quaint and cute.


I am printing this out and pasting it into the front of my wedding plans book. ;-)

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[info]minnow1212
2005-03-21 07:22 pm UTC (link)
Whee! Glad to be of use.

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[info]queenofthorns
2005-03-21 05:41 pm UTC (link)
Awww, yay! I'm so glad you enjoyed "Bride and Prejudice" - I really loved it (and I also would add to the sympatheticness of Mr. Collins, the fact that for probably the first time EVER, I was really interested in and invested in the Jane/Bingley story - I really loved Jaya and, of course, Naveen Andrews as Balraj, what is not to love?)

And I love your point about how both sides in this cultural mix are kind of exotic - I love that Mrs. Bakshi is all hugely interested in the Queen being at Windsor and how they're totally impressed by Darcy's hotel ... Heh!

Also, I have been listening to the soundtrack nonstop since I got it. Luckily with headphones, so I don't drive my poor husband MAD!

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[info]minnow1212
2005-03-21 07:22 pm UTC (link)
>I really loved Jaya and, of course, Naveen Andrews as Balraj, what is not to love?<

Exactly!

He looked especially hot in the all-black outfit.

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[info]jood
2005-03-21 05:56 pm UTC (link)
Re: cultural chauvanism...

I agree both movies used mainstream = bland as shortcut, but I think there's more to it than just that.

I think the point both movies were trying to make was that the representatives of mainstream culture (the Darcys and the Millers) weren't so much devoid of culture as they had turned away from their culture for different reasons.

In "My Big Fat Greek Wedding" The Millers isolated themselves from extended family, which served the purpose of turning them into a foil for the huge, boisterous Portokalis family. Separate from family, culture and tradition tend to vanish in favor of more personal, immediate concerns. They were all about being proper, not about being traditionally Irish or English or Chicagoan, and because of that they ended up bland.

By making money and business the center of their lives, the Darcys lost touch with their own cultural traditions as well. Mrs. Darcy was the obvious influence here, both in her scenes and in Darcy's development. Since you can get curry and Yoga here, why go to India and have to deal with those darn Indians? I think Mrs. Bakshi's fascination with British and American life shows (to some degree) that they're not considered empty cultures. I took the Darcy family's blandness as a sign that they were (like the Millers) too self-focused and disconnected from any true culture.

Of course, I could be heinously over-thinking this.


I agree the movie went over the top, but for me it happened right at the beginning. The entire thing felt winky and silly - making sly fun of itself using non-Indians within traditional numbers to point out the silliness - and I found it terrifically fun. I thought the whole thing was cheesy, but cheesy in a harmless way.


My only quibble was the utter waste of Naveen "Übernummy" Andrews on such a small role.

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[info]se_parsons
2005-03-21 06:32 pm UTC (link)
My family is English and Swedish.

In America, you're not allowed to be proud of that.

When the Swedes came here, speaking a foreign language, but VERY well educated for their time and in their own, they dropped their native language and "Americanized" as soon as humanly possible, ditching ALL their ethnic traditions to become part of mainstream culture. Because in the 1870s that's just WHAT YOU DID if you wanted to get along. Many people did this. There was pressure to do it if you wanted to succeed. And they were very ambitious. I don't have a SINGLE Swedish recipe or tradition in my entire family. Why is that so? Because of the OTHER part of my family that demanded this behavior from anyone new who came to America.

The English are those fuckers we fought against to gain our independence. They are slave traders and Imperialists who went around the world killing and destroying the cultures of brown peoples everywhere. They are THE MAN. Those who remained at home possibly can be considered quaint with their clinging to the Queen, bad food, and other symbols of ancient power, so they might seem kind of neat. Plus "sexy" accents!

But in the U.S.? When you're THE MAN, you are defined by all the evil your race has committed. Anything interesting about you was stolen by your culture from others to fill the void that your evil acquisitiveness has placed in your cold, black heart. (See Rock N Roll, here.)

Any "culture mixing" movie is going to point that out. The KINDEST thing they can say is that you're "bland" or are the people without a culture. I've heard you say it many times, in fact, especially in rants about mayonnaise and overcooked meat. It's not just bad cooking, it's endemic of the moral bankruptcy of the culture of THE MAN.

Well, I'm THE MAN. My family couldn't be more mainstream American if it tried, seriously. But we dont' put mayo on everything. Everybody but my Grandma M. was a good cook. Historically, we were abolitionists and church-going liberals working to be pretty fair to everyone and mostly being poor, ourselves. But every time you see us in movies we're selfish, racist bastards who are disconnected from our families and so fucking self-involved that we just need a good kicking. (Or alternatively violent redneck underclass - see "bonnie and Clyde" and "Kalifornia" here.) It's why I can't watch most "family drama."

Bride & Prejudice went EASY on us, I think. But the point WAS that making money IS our culture and becomes the culture of all those who adopt it, see Mr. Colley. it disconnects us from people, which are the important things and turns us into assholes. Only when we can reconnect with what's important, will we gain enlightenment and a happy life.

THE MAN is morally bankrupt.

(Talk about overthinking.)

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[info]jood
2005-03-21 07:18 pm UTC (link)
I can't figure out if you're agreeing with me or if you're offended by what I said.

:: headscritch ::

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[info]se_parsons
2005-03-21 08:24 pm UTC (link)
I'm not agreeing with the cultural stereotype, but I am agreeing that it IS a cultural stereotype., which you pointed out.

Does that help?

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[info]jood
2005-03-21 09:05 pm UTC (link)
I think so.

I don't see the portrayal of the Millers or the Darcys as archetypes of an entire culture, though. I see them as specific examples of people who behave a certain way. That certain way coincides with a cultural stereotype.

So I think what I'm trying to say is that although their behavior is stereotypical, I don't see the overall message being that all Americans or British folks are like that.

I have no idea if that makes any sense. I think need a nap.

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[info]minnow1212
2005-03-21 07:30 pm UTC (link)
>But the point WAS that making money IS our culture and becomes the culture of all those who adopt it, see Mr. Colley. it disconnects us from people, which are the important things and turns us into assholes. Only when we can reconnect with what's important, will we gain enlightenment and a happy life.<

See, I didn't read that as the point: for all that Mr. Colley wanted to make money, and for all Darcy's mother's attitude, there were plenty of other colorful, sparkly events in London and America. In other words, I didn't see the movie as an indictment of American or British life in general, but of a specific strand of it. The Indians didn't have a monopoly on enlightenment and a happy life.

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[info]se_parsons
2005-03-21 08:28 pm UTC (link)
We didn't see a single non-Indian character who had one, though..

And the Indians who adopted other people's culture turned into the horrid snobbish sister of Balraj or Mr. Colley.

England and America are sparkly as places and are treated just the same as India in that respect. The culture seems bereft. Except when ethnicity or sub-culture of one form or another is put into it.

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[info]minnow1212
2005-03-21 08:35 pm UTC (link)
>We didn't see a single non-Indian character who had one, though.<

That's a good point. Hmm. Not sure how I feel about that.

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[info]jood
2005-03-21 09:01 pm UTC (link)
We could probably count Will's sister, who recovered from the horror of teen pregnancy and turned out to be a great kid. But yeah, that's about it.

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[info]minnow1212
2005-03-21 07:27 pm UTC (link)
>I agree both movies used mainstream = bland as shortcut<

No, wait, I think I was unclear in my original post or something, because my intention was to say that the movie *doesn't* fall into the trap of pigeonholding one cultural tradition as more authentic than the other. Because one of the things I liked about the movie was that, while Darcy's family may have been bland, London and America were both full of brightness and cool things, like the museums and touristy places that Johnny took Lakhi, or the gospel choir on the beach.

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[info]jood
2005-03-21 07:47 pm UTC (link)
Ah. I still see it, though, so hrm. I do think the drum scene demonstrated the attitude that Will was culturally bankrupt. I don't think the entire film casts American & British culture as a whole as bland, but I do think there are some shortcuts in there.

Clearly Indian culture is being hailed as the colorful, joyful, ideal, which doesn't bother me much because it's supposed to be portrayed that way in this kind of film. I saw Lakhi's adventure in London (and Mrs. Bakshi's fascination with the Queen) as a portrayal of the quaintness of British life, which amounts to a fun bit of role-reversal.

What I like very much about the film is that even though it does fall back on a handful of cultural cliches, it's not a judgmental or insulting interpretation overall.

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[info]minnow1212
2005-03-21 08:35 pm UTC (link)
> I don't think the entire film casts American & British culture as a whole as bland, but I do think there are some shortcuts in there.<

Ah, okay. Got it.

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[info]forodwaith
2005-03-21 07:06 pm UTC (link)
I really wanted to see Bride & Prejudice, but the reviews I've seen damned it with (at the most) very faint praise, and I was persuaded against it. Now that I've read your post and the comments I'm all fired up again. Matinee showing, here I come!

p.s. Have you seen Monsoon Wedding?

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[info]minnow1212
2005-03-21 07:31 pm UTC (link)
Whee! Yes, go see.

I haven't seen Monsoon Wedding, although someone in the group of people I was with brought it up.

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